“Meat is very harmful to the environment. We cannot tell people that there is a climate crisis and encourage them to buy products that are part of it,” Ziggy Klazes, a councillor from GroenLinks who drafted the motion, told the Trouw newspaper.
The government of the city of 160,000 says it has not yet been decided whether sustainably produced meat will be included in the ad ban.
The proposal was also supported by MPs from the Christian Democratic Challenge party.
The backlash from the meat industry was swift.
“The authorities are going too far in telling people what’s best for them,” said a spokesman from the Central Organisation for the Meat Sector.
One of the common tactics in staged deceptions are flurries of comments in which the poster claims to know somebody who knows somebody who was killed or injured during an event. Typically, they’re at least two or three parties removed. The names of “victims” are rarely if ever mentioned. The claims are incredibly scripted and repetitive. And now we learn that “50-60” at the Thousand Oaks shooting also were at the Vegas Harvest 91 massacre. [see Thousand Oaks Shooting: The Things We Are Asked to Believe].
This post provides a collection of such comments. One might wonder why large numbers of these commentators feel compelled to use a forum like Reddit’s r/Conspiracy to run with this. The following is a sampling of 39 of them, just about Las Vegas and just from Reddit’s r/Conspiracy sub-Reddit. Many, many more can be mined elsewhere.
The mathematical odds of dozens of people posting the same general narrative to a specific little corner of the internet and sub-Reddit must be millions to one — if not billions. Note also that some of these posts have a high number of up-votes, typically a sign of brigading. I’m convinced a high percentage are these scripts generated by computerized bots.
Clearly, this is an absurdly disproportionate number of people affected personally by the Vegas event, but many also think there’s a real false-flag conspiracy involved. So even though many “question the official narrative,” they harass and insult those who question the basic claims that people were shot — as if every other detail is possibly a lie, but there’s no way anyone would ever fake a shooting. It’s highly suspicious that the staged deception theory is the nonnegotiable point in these narratives. Manipulative.
They combine this with standard gaslighting, questioning the motive for the staged-deception theory. They create a straw-man argument revolving around why actors would be in on it for no apparent motive or reason. The answer is that these are false personas, or cutouts: people who aren’t real — just like most of the shills. See Miles Mathis Exposes Fake Personas in the Las Vegas Shooting.
Listen this theory that nothing happened is kind of a little sketchy. I know of someone killed there with 2 degrees of separation from myself. I know of many people that can be verified this way since I live in Southern California. That being said, if you’re looking to start an actual discussion you could have a different approach than being inflammatory and baiting in the way you ask this question. Unless of course your goal here isn’t a civilized discussion :).
Once again, I live in Vegas, and I personally know someone who buried a family member. People died. Except this as fact because it is. Other very shady shit went on that night which is not being addressed by the media. Unless perhaps you’re only here to disrupt the conversation.
I literally know a girl who was shot in the eye. She’s recovering albeit very slowly. How do you explain that, exactly? Of course stuff is being covered up but your assertion is wrong.
Just gotta say, I know someone who was there and she saw people that were actually shot and dead.
She talks about it a little bit on the news as well. I can promise you on this one, people were actually shot, the only debate at this point is motive and who was behind it. Both of those are totally open for discussion.
My wife and the mother of my son was there. She was injured and she was treated. Most of these “theories” on this site are interesting and creative but this is plain silly.
Oh fuck off people died my best friends old roommate is almost dead, people who live in southern California or Arizona or Vegas know enough people who actually have a life and go to Vegas to know people who were affected or close to that shooting. It was real, it was a false flag.
I actually do know somebody who died in it. In my community. A real person. Vigil. Funeral. Everything. I think it was still a false flag but real people died.
If you’re suggesting that the Las Vegas shooting didn’t happen, you’re wrong. I personally know someone that was killed. I’m not going to be able to prove it so you’re going to have to take my word… or not I really don’t care.
I rock my tinfoil hat with pride. I don’t trust my government or any of its agencies. I believe wholeheartedly that there is a lot of possibility that the story we are being told is not true.
Yet with that said I do have to disagree with you, bullets were flying. People died. I’m going to avoid giving out too much information about my personal life but, my employment leads me to work in a lot of people’s homes. One of my regular customers is a 55 year old woman who was at the Jason Aldean concert in Vegas when it happened. She showed me the blood on her shoes and pants. It wasn’t hers she didn’t get hurt.
Also, there is pictures, there is footage. I won’t post them here but go spend a little time on /pol/ it won’t take you long to see them.
This guys a fucking dickhole. Notice, all he does is say its fake, and then expect you to prove to him that it’s real.
The burden of proof is on you, u/joe_jaywalker , asshole. I’m two degrees removed from someone there. It happened.
u/joe_jaywalker -You’re stupid enough to believe that they would put together a more elaborate set-up than a fucking top-budgeted hollywood movie when simply shooting people is not only exponentially simpler, but actually possible.
i’m really starting to think this “hoax” narrative is being pushed by an element in Deep State in order to discredit those of us who insist on looking into this event.
My bosses sister was killed and her husband seriously wounded. I worked with him the night of October 1. Woke up the next morning to the news of the shooting, and then news of his sisters death. He was off work 3 weeks and isn’t the same since he came back. So I’ve seen first hand the effect. My mother has a good friend who was working the event. I’ve heard firsthand her story. So for that to be a hoax those two people would have to also be getting paid off.
Next I would ask what PROOF do you have that it didn’t happen. And your position that the burden of proof is on me doesn’t work.
And then finally, to what end would a hoax be effective? Who would benefit from that? In what way? False flag, yes. Hoax, no.
No need to show me examples. I’ve personally seen plenty of gunshot victims. How could you have THAT many “actors” and keep things so quiet? How do I have a friend from the military that was childhood friends with one of the people that died at the concert? Is this just an “actor?” And where does he go now that he is “dead?”
Most people here aren’t arguing the fact that this event did in fact happen, and people really did die. We are trying to figure out how it actually went down, who was behind it, what was the motive, etc...
Yeah. I guess anyone can say anything anonymously on here but I did know someone who died there. False flag conspiracies kind of get to me because it’s hard on the people who lost people during them. I don’t think they work either. I live in a small town in the south and they’re never gonna take our guns. Not easily anyways. It was probably a bad idea to even click on this thread. As for my favorite conspiracies, I like more out there stuff like hollow earth, Antarctica stuff, and alien stuff.
You didn’t attend my friends funeral…. You might be sadly mistaken there…. if you go into my history you will find the link to our invite and also talking with someone else who felt it didn’t happen.
This hit too close to home for me. I am someone who thought sandy hook was a fake. And now… here I am missing my friend, Brennan Stewart’s presence. He didn’t have to even talk to you for that smile to light up the room.
I remember he was a grade ahead of us. He gave me my first pooka shell necklaces. Good guy. Rip.
FWIW… I don’t blame you for thinking it may not have happened because I have been there with sandy hook and I’ve seen the crisis actors. Maybe it happened with both in Las Vegas?
Maybe… innocent people did die but crisis actors were there to tell a different story. After all, witnesses are dying.
Just food for thought not an attack. I don’t want to let the loss of a friend and my beautiful home dictate how I treat you.
We are all here to ask questions and that’s the point of the sub. So…. that’s just my food for thought.
4 Canadians were killed there, including 3 from the province I live in. One of those victims, Jessica Klymchuk, was a single mother of FOUR children, school bus driver and teachers assistant and well known in her small community of around 2000 people. Are you really, seriously trying to imply she was somehow in on some American conspiracy? There are really no words for how deluded that is. You think she abandoned her life in some small town that is not even in the US, abandoned her children and her career in which she spent most of her waking hours helping children? Based on what evidence, and what motivation(tentative to wether you think she was willingly involved)?
So, by the logic you are trying to propose, either that school board doesn’t exist, and none of the students exist and the town doesn’t exist? Or she was in on it for no apparent motive or reason?
Ive had my sister tell me her coworker’s friend died and my Aunt tell me a little boy she knows parents died and he came up to her crying.
This is very problematic for me. Because I know for a fact they used crisis actors for this event and that “gore” on liveleak was staged/fake. I will try to ask my Aunt some more details this Christmas Eve about what she knows.
I have know multiple people who were there. A coworker and his friend who was shot, two personal friends who escaped quickly, and my sisters sorority sister was shot. Both people lived who were shot.
Vegas local here. My sister was at the event and witnessed everything as it happened. A good friend was shot in the foot and is in recovery. Sisters fiancé is a first responder and performed triage for 12 hours. So…
You must not live in Vegas or know anybody that happened to be here. I knew people at the concert, knew someone that was killed, and have now heard countless stories from others that were there. Definitely nothing staged
Lol, ok bud. I guess the lady from a small town named Teulon which is near where I live in Winnipeg, MB, Canada getting news coverage of her recovery is part of the act.
If you don’t believe the shots of all the dead bodies laying around, or the accounts of people on here saying they lost a friend, attended a funeral etc…. But the ‘video’ you linked works for you then so be it.
Yeah well it’s a bit different when I know somebody that actually had three rounds put into their back and died and it wasn’t apart of some fake act. I get this is a conspiracy thread, but damn.
My ex was murdered in the shooting. Her husband dragged her corpse behind a bench under gunfire because he was unsure if she was dead or not. I went to the funeral and still know the family well. You’re a fucking moron.
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(Natural News) The ‘hits’ against the highly politicized FBI just keep on coming, proving those who think the bureau needs a top-down management purge exactly right.
According to local reports out of Salt Lake City, Utah, Robert Alexander Smith, 65, is now facing four counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child, all of which are first-degree felonies. In addition, Fox13 Now reports, Smith is also facing two counts of lewdness, each of which is a class-B misdemeanor.
The local outlet reports:
According to court documents, Smith was arrested after a young girl told her mom in June that she wanted to talk about something “very uncomfortable.” She said that on multiple occasions, Smith had forced her to touch him inappropriately under his clothes in 2020.
Interviews were then conducted with the girl, as well as four other girls who said Smith had engaged with them in inappropriate ways. One of the girls said Smith forced her to do the same thing as he did with the first victim, and three other girls said Smith had touched them inappropriately under their clothing.
The outlet cited the arrest report, which said that Smith “occupied a position of special trust as it pertains to the victims in this case.” The alleged abuse took place at Smith’s Stansbury Park home at the time, but according to court records, he now resides in Tooele, Utah.
Smith was arrested last week and charged in court the following day. The judge ordered him held in custody without bail.
Someone with the FBI’s Salt Lake City office told Fox13 Now that the bureau takes “allegations of misconduct very seriously.”
“We are aware of the arrest of an FBI employee. The FBI takes allegations of misconduct very seriously. As such, the incident has been referred to the FBI’s Internal Affairs Section. We cannot comment further on an ongoing personnel matter,” the bureau’s full statement to local media noted.
According to The National Pulse, the young girl who initially reported the alleged touching to her mother was around six or seven years old at the time. The “An Open Secret” Twitter account described Smith as a “supervisory intelligence analyst.”
FBI “Supervisory Intelligence Analyst” Arrested for Child Sex Abuse
Robert Alexander Smith, 65, Stansbury Park, Utah
Investigation did interviews with 5 minor girls who said they were victims https://t.co/DIACmO90Xq
It should be noted that President Joe Biden himself has some questions to answer — if anyone in the garbage media would ever ask him — along these lines, such as explaining why he took showers with his daughter Ashley, which she wrote in her own diary was “probably not appropriate.” She also wrote about her hypersexualization at a young age and her obsession with sex later in life, for which she sought treatment. In order to bury the story, though, Biden’s ‘Justice’ Department arrested two Florida residents who found the diary Ashley left behind in a halfway house that they attempted to sell. The pair has since pleaded guilty.
“The news also comes in the same week that FBI Special Agent Timothy Thibault was escorted out of the Washington, D.C. field office after allegedly using his privileged position to cover up the investigation of Hunter Biden’s laptop, effectively helping to swing the 2020 election in Joe Biden’s favor,” The National Pulse added.
“Thibault’s name has been in the news for his alleged bias and allegations that he tried to run interference in the Hunter Biden investigation,” Fox News noted further. “Thibault was named by Senate Judiciary ranking member Chuck Grassley in a July 18 letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland. Grassley cited whistleblowers who alleged a pattern of political bias from high-ranking officials, including Thibault.”
