Cosmic Disclosure: Remembering William Tompkins – Disrupting Draco Domination

In Memoriam
William Milton Tompkins
May 29, 1923 ~ August 21, 2017


David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock and I’m here with Corey Goode.

Now some of what we’re going to cover in this show has been covered before, but here’s the key. We’re talking about something that is very real.

The REAL reason why we’re doing this show is not entertainment. It is disclosure.

And by talking about these things and exploring them in more detail, we are helping to crack the lid on something that’s actually a very serious problem.

And so for that very same reason, in a topic like this, we need as much information about it as we possibly can get. And the more information we have, the more powerful our tools become to be able to stop these horrible things from happening.

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1 William Tompkins

William Tompkins: It’s very strange that this has been going on, that the same structure of a medieval country – kings, queens, princesses, all of the top people – agreed with maybe France’s or Spain’s group, and they became the elite. They became the control of the population in their countries and were never allowing the people a real life, never allowing them to participate in many of the other things, and many of them were actually slaves.

So the big slavery business out there is a big business. It’s a major business today – a massive business.

Anything that you want to manufacture, anything that you want to farm, anything that you want to build, it’s all done with slave people.

In Germany . . . Germany had massive underground facilities that were all slaves and even to the extent that when the decision was made before the war ended that they were going to continue all of their extraterrestrial developments on UFOs and on every weapon system that they were building, they took the production facilities to Antarctica, but they also brought the slaves with them.

So now there are slaves underneath the ground and they still are today in Antarctica.

But the slave business out there is a big business, and this is happening today. It’s not something that happened 100 years ago. This has been going on a long time and that needs to be fixed.

There’s all kinds of slavery. There’s sexual slavery, unbelievably. There’s many different classes of people that are abducted for slavery, sexual slavery. They want the top and the smartest, because they are worth more.

They have, I think, four or five different levels of people that they abduct. They abduct top medical research people. They abduct the corporate levels, and they abduct the most brilliant levels, and then they go down through the three levels and that says where they get sectioned off.

Everybody gets to two planets and then it’s decided where they’re going to be sent to. But it’s a massive business. It’s been going on for years, and we can’t identify where these people have gone.

Just like ‘normal’ abductions, we don’t know where they went, because most of them don’t come back. We’re only hearing from the few that came back.

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David: Whew! So as we can see there, this is some pretty intense stuff.

We have quite an interesting perspective on this because, of course, if you’ve been watching our show, Corey has had experience with this himself. He also discussed it when he was on with George Noory.

So,Corey, welcome to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: Now, let’s just start off by saying I know that you’re very uncomfortable about this topic. Why is this so upsetting to you, this topic?

Corey: Because I saw it firsthand. It’s a very upsetting topic. If it sounds like fiction, it’s upsetting enough, but when you hear someone else corroborating what you’ve been through, what you’ve experienced, it brings a lot of the anxiety, a lot of memories come back.

David: Well, let’s start to talk a little bit about what Tompkins had to say in the video footage. First of all, he seemed to be talking about traditional Cabal countries, France, Spain, England, and slave trades that they had going back for generations.

So there was a little bit of a “Illuminati” thing there, because he was mentioning royal families that all got together and were secretly collaborating even though their countries appeared to be fighting with each other.

Did you ever get to hear about that kind of stuff – the Game of Thrones sort of politics, the occult elite?

Corey: Yeah, we were very curious where these people were coming from, how they were acquiring them, and it turned out that they were using this multi-generational infrastructure for slavery that they had built just for here on Earth.

David: REALLY?

Corey: Yes, and it had never stopped. The human slave trade on Earth has never even slowed down really.

David: So just to make sure that I understand what you’re saying, the exact same systems and the management structures and the coordination of how these Cabal or Illuminati countries were doing it back going 100s of years, it just continued directly through to this galactic slave trade involving extraterrestrials.

Corey: Yes, to present time.

David: I know I’ve asked you this before, but for the purposes of clarity for today, how long have extraterrestrials been grabbing slaves off of our planet?

Corey: As long as we’ve been on this planet.

David: Did they have the collaboration with this slavery mechanism from the Cabal countries in the past?

Corey: I know it’s gone back some time, but I don’t know how far back, how far it goes back, that the Illuminati groups, if you want to call them that, were using the people in the field that go scouting for people to kidnap, give them a list of what you’re looking for.

Those people do the kidnapping, bring the people that they had abducted to a central location where they are basically treated like cattle, sent down different . . . go different directions, you know. This person will go off-planet. This person will go into the underground sex slave trade.

David: Tompkins mentioned that there were different types of delineations of who is picked and for what purpose. He mentioned farming. Could we start with that? Talk about what type of farming would these people be doing if they were being brought for that purpose.

Corey: Well, they will raise food for people in the program kind of like hydroponic-kind of setups on other bodies in this solar system . . .

David: Hm.

Corey: . . . where they grow food. And they do have people . . . They’ll get people that do construction. They’ll go and they’ll take these people and then take them off-planet and force them to do these things.

David: How would they prevent these people from trying to put poison into the food supply or doing something to sabotage the operation? If you’re a slave, you’re not going to be happy about it.

Corey: No, but the way they treat these slaves . . . I mean, you have NO HOPE of ever seeing home again. They treat them just well enough to where they want to survive, they want to stay alive, but bad enough to where they will follow any worker.

David: Tompkins also mentioned manufacturing jobs. Can we talk about that a little bit? What types of jobs might they have?

Corey: Sure. I’m sure everyone remembers me discussing the manufacturing plants on Mars . . .

David: Yeah.

Corey: . . . to where they would have tens to hundreds of thousands of people living close by these manufacturing plants to where they were being sent in trains to these plants to work.

And this is going on on other bodies in our solar system as well.

David: So are they actually going to do high-technology stuff?

Corey: Oh, yes. They’re building things that non-terrestrials are coming here to trade for.

David: Right. Is a significant majority of the workforce that they have for things like the ICC all actually abducted slaves?

Corey: There are abducted slaves and people that go and apply for a job. They get a job, they’re happy, they go to work, and then become a slave.

David: But you’ve also described in other episodes that there are plenty of extraterrestrials who are not going to be local to our solar system, and they are also picking up slaves for a variety of different reasons as well.

Corey: Uh-huh.

David: And we may have no idea what those people are doing.

Corey: How this really all turned into such a huge trade is that in the beginning of when we started having contact with non-terrestrials, we were allowing them to abduct humans and take humans. There were so many humans that were never coming back.

So the very morally bankrupt people in this Cabal, decided, “What a minute. If we can hold off the non-terrestrials, we can trade these people for technology.”

David: What is the estimate, or if there is a sliding scale of estimates, as to how many people per year are being brought into this?

Corey: Well, I remember this statistic for worldwide disappearances is like a million people.

David: And if that’s happening every year, it could be very sizable.

Corey: Yes, yes, it’s . . . Millions of people have been taken off this planet.

David: So we could literally be talking about many millions of people who have been brought off this planet into this world in various ways.

Corey: Yes, that are being brought into the slave trade. And you also have to remember that the people we were just talking about that lived on these . . . that are slaves on these Mars facilities, they, over the decades, have begun to have children, and these children are born into slavery. So it’s generations of slaves [that] are up there.

David: And Tompkins corroborated a lot of things that you’ve said very precisely, including this idea of like a brain drain or different echelons, different tiers, of people being brought in.

Corey: This is one of the biggest topics that the Cabal doesn’t want anyone to know about. This is one of the things, if we have Full Disclosure, and people find out about all these crimes against humanity, it’s going to be a CRAZY DAY on planet Earth.

David: Well, let’s say that happens. What is the carrot that we have to look forward to with all of this? Is disclosing it actually going to stop it? I mean, aren’t we turning our backs on these people if we don’t talk about it?

Corey: Very much so. A lot of people that have been involved or have firsthand knowledge of this don’t want to talk about it because of the huge amount of shame involved.

You know, they have sociopaths that are doing a lot of this work, so, you know, they don’t lose any sleep. But other people like myself that get drug into it, we’re tortured. Inside of us, we’re tortured for the rest of our lives.

David: I’m sure. One of the things that, obviously, we don’t want to get too specific about it, but something that we haven’t mentioned before is the idea that there is a sex trade going on.

Corey: Um-hum.

David: What do you think is the purpose behind a sex trade and slavery in that sense? What’s the objective here?

Corey: For these humans serving in the darker side of the Secret Space Programs, and for non-terrestrials, to be able to have sex. I mean, it’s . . . They like to dominate, and that’s a big turn-on for these sociopaths.

David: Hm.

Corey: So, I mean, it’s, I guess, the oldest story in the world when it comes to talking about sex.

David: So this is very similar to the kind of sex trafficking that we’ve heard about on Earth where somebody could get brought into this world and, for whatever reason, they will work as a prostitute even though maybe they could escape. They’re not going to really try to escape because they’re kept under such tight control.

Corey: Yeah, there’s no escaping. I mean, there’s no escaping. You’re . . . If you’re on a tin can floating through space, where do you go? If you’re on another planetoid somewhere in another solar system, what do you do? I mean, you have no hope.

David: What have you been told – and I know we’ve covered this before, but I think it’s important to give people some sense of hope in this subject – what have you been told is going to occur as we end up freeing ourselves from the control of AI and the Draco and other negative groups? How will that affect what’s happening to these people?

Corey: A while back, some of the Alliance, SSP Alliance, people, before there was an SSP Alliance – they were just people that were acting on their own volition or in small groups – began tagging people that were going off-world into the slave trade.

And we’ve had some of these non-terrestrial groups that we work with, go and retrieve them and take them for healing.

So after all of this comes . . . all of the AI is gone, we’ve had Disclosure, people have had a chance to acclimate to Disclosure a little bit, a lot of these people that were in these different types of slave trades that have been rescued and are now in another star system going through healing, will be allowed to rejoin us.

And I know that’s something . . . You know, I talk about this topic, and it is entertainment for a lot of people, but there are people that watch this show that have had loved ones disappear. And I hear from them.

So this topic is very real, and it is the most serious topic in Disclosure.

David: It’s possible that maybe some of the people that are watching this show, if they lost a loved one, not everybody is necessarily going to end up in something bad.

Corey: Right. And these slaves are not always treated that horribly by different species. Some of these species respect what humans can do. And when it comes to engineering, manufacturing . . . our abilities, our innate abilities . . . And some of these groups that take humans they take them and . . . they take them off-planet and treat them very well.

Think about shows where you’ve . . . you hear of people having a maid that lives with them or that . . . So it’s not all total doom and gloom. It’s happening against their will, which is bad enough, but not everybody is getting eaten or being part of a sex trade.

David: Sure.

Corey: They really look for the most intelligent and gifted people on the planet, and they will either take them or one of their family members who have the same traits if they are too public.

David: All right. Good.

Now what we’re going to have is our last video clip from the interview series, and this is Tompkins talking about a very interesting subject. Let’s take a look.

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Tompkins: I was in a meeting on the subject with some other people, and this one young lady said, “I’ve got one.”

And, “You’ve got what?”

[Whispering] “I’ve got one.”


“I have.”

“I’ve got a picture of it.”


“Yeah. A real picture of it.”

“How’d you get that?”

“Well, we were having a party Friday night in Oceanside, and Saturday morning we went – all eight of us – we went to that cul-de-sac off of Lake Boulevard” – it’s right over at Carlsbad. Now Carlsbad is next to Oceanside, okay? So they’re standing on the border between the two – to show the other three couples their new condo that’s being built just across the area.

So everybody goes out there, and they’re standing around this fence because it dropped off quite a bit and then came back up.

2 Pic Of Condo Area

So they took the picture, one picture of this whole valley thing – not a picture like that [pointing up like to the sky], but just straight out.

And they developed the pictures, all the party pictures the night before, and then this.

3 UFO Over Condo Area

You’ll notice it’s serrated on the sides and it’s serrated on the top.

4 Closeup Of Reptilian UFO

Look what’s coming out of the back of it in color – five separate gases coming out of this Reptilian tanker, dropping five gases at 300 feet.

You’re smoking their gas today, because they drop this gas only on technically advancing communities on the planet, okay, every four to six weeks. So you could be getting it today.

5 Pic With Multiple Reptilian Tankers

Not one – one, two, three, four, five, six. THEY DIDN’T SEE IT, because everybody’s minds are controlled to not see it just like a stealth system.

So the commander of this squadron made sure that that stealth was turned on. He forgot to turn on the stealth that prevents a camera from photographing it. Okay?

So the reason you don’t see these – they’re flying all over us. There’s hundreds of them. They’re thousands of them every single day on your planet. They’re dropping the gas.

So your mind is being controlled, and you don’t function normally or how you should function.

And so, again, we are being mind-controlled not for the last couple of weeks but for thousands of years. And back to the Romans again, their minds were controlled.

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And it’s hard for us to accept that somebody’s controlling MY MIND, and particularly – now this is extremely important – particularly because the brilliant PhDs in ALL technical fields, these people are most important for everything that we need in science, but their minds have been controlled.

So they are . . . they won’t listen to what some of the rest of us are talking about because they “know everything”, but what they’ve been taught in those books at the university is all lies. Every technical field, it’s all lies. It’s incorrect.

And it’s preventing people that put in the eight years, or whatever, knowing everything know, to accept this subject.

That’s the reason Congress didn’t accept it when the MUFON went back to Congress – the Democrats and the Republicans, neither one of them. Well, their heads were all nodding up and down, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”

Ten minutes later it was removed, because they were already programmed. Their minds were programmed not to accept that.

I know this sounds insane, but this is fact. This is what it is.

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David: All right. Well, I don’t know about you, but that’s pretty shocking stuff to me as a UFO investigator. I wouldn’t have believed any of this maybe even as recently as a couple of years ago.

So, Corey, what do you think about this? What’s your initial thoughts after seeing this clip?

Corey: Very interesting! What I have found out more recently is that they do drop gas – ‘they’ being the Draco. They do drop gas on technologically-evolving areas, but they also monitor each city, county, whatever, and if a certain amount of people are starting to wake up, they will go and drop mind-control gas on them.

It’s more of a throwing bleach on a situation.

David: They would increase the gas if more people start to wake up in a given area?

Corey: Yes, they have . . . Not only do they use gas, but for the most part they use a technology that sends . . . that puts out a field that controls our minds.

You’ve seen people be hypnotized, and they’ll say that . . . they’ll be told that, “Okay, your wife is invisible. You can no longer see her.”

And then your wife will walk between you and another thing, and you don’t see the wife. You see through the wife, and you see what’s behind it.

David: Right.

Corey: Well, the mind control works a lot like that as well. There are different layers of the mind control.

There’s different layers of how the mind works, and they have to have a solution for each layer technologically and chemically.

David: This helps me start to put together other pieces I’ve been gathering for a long time. And the mind control stuff was always kind of sounding a little dubious to me, but I did have an insider, and he explained to me that there is an AI computer system that’s monitoring everyone on Earth’s thoughts, and that if you start to awaken to the things that this computer is programmed for you not to think about, that it will create things like nervousness, extreme exhaustion, tiredness, anything that it can do to try to divert your mind off of the topic.

Are you aware of anything AI-related like that?

Corey: Not specifically, but it makes total sense. If the Draco or AI prophets, if they report up to artificial intelligence, and all the information I’ve given on artificial intelligence about how it’s controlling the planet, that’s not a huge leap at all.

David: We’re looking at a ship in this photograph that William holds up, and there seems to be other ships like that in the sky. First of all, he’s mentioning a cloaking technique and it’s not really clear if the technique is simply something that . . . we can’t see it because we’re mind-controlled not to see the ship, or is it that it actually bends light around the object? I wasn’t really clear.

Corey: Both.

David: You think it’s both.

Corey: Both. It is both. Yes, there’s the component that I talked about – the hypnotism reference I gave . . .

David: Right.

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Corey: . . . to where they put out a field to where they don’t want you to see certain things, you just don’t see them. You could have you’re dog next to you going [looking up at the sky], “What the heck is that?” And you don’t see it.

It’s set to the waves of how our mind works, you know, the alpha, delta, theta, theta waves.

So they’re manipulating you on THAT level, and I say ‘you’, I mean us, because usually when you hear ‘humans are mind-controlled”, just like he said, people sit back, “My mind’s not being controlled. That must be OTHER people. I’m too far advanced, you know. I have special beings that I talk to. It’s just impossible.”

But the fact is, all of us – you, me, people at home – we’re all mind-controlled to a certain degree.

David: So when he was showing us this image of what he called a Reptilian ship, it has an interesting appearance, and I’m curious if you have seen any craft like that that were attributed to Reptilians?

Corey: Very similar.

David: Really?

Corey: Except they looked as if they were tankers that held a lot more volume of whatever they were transporting. And the experience I had was, I was seeing footage of these things bringing in water from lakes and oceans.

David: Hm. And because of this mind-control and cloaking, they could be doing this and you wouldn’t even know that it was happening?

Corey: It could be happening right above you right now and there’s no way you would know. They could be taking water out of your local reservoir.

David: Well, let’s just kind of get through the fluff and get to the meat of this, which is, what’s the purpose for us being mind-controlled? What’s the big deal? What are they trying to stop?

Corey: Well, they’re trying to stop us from advancing technologically so that we are an interstellar race.

David: Interesting.

Corey: And they’re trying to keep us under control on this somewhat slave planet that they are wardens of. So there are a lot of reasons why they do mind-control.

Any of these sociopathic groups, human or non-, that are in a place of power, they want to keep that power. And if you have no moral compunctions about doing slavery, or any number of other things, controlling the minds of the people on a planet you control is going to be just . . . it’s going to make sense to you.

David: Well, for those who have watched “Wisdom Teachings” or read my books, or are just familiar with my work in general, then they will know that I’ve done a lot of scientific validation showing, for example, in the last 5,000 years, our DNA has evolved by 7% across it’s entire structure.

That’s a hard, solid scientific data point proving that we are going through some kind of Ascension or mass evolution.

Corey: Right. And that’s one of the other things that I didn’t mention that they’re trying to stop . . .

David: Okay.

Corey: . . . is they’re trying to not necessarily prevent us from genetically and spiritually evolving, but control HOW we evolve. They’re not completely stopping it, but they’re controlling it.

David: So this is a spiritual war . . .

Corey: It is.

David: . . . in some sense.

Corey: Yeah! Absolutely.

David: Now, when I spoke to Tompkins in personal phone calls, he mentioned that the people in our military-industrial complex who are against the Reptilians are very concerned about shooting down these tankers.

And what he told me was, they’ve determined that although they have the technology to shoot the tankers down, they can’t kind of gradually turn off the switch.

They’re worried that when they shoot them down [finger pop], all of this technology turns off all at once. And he said that could be very bad for us.

Corey: Very bad.

David: Now, what’s your take on that? What’s your background on that?

Corey: I’ve touched on this on other episodes that, yeah, that’s absolutely true. They’re worried about when the AI is removed [fingers pop] real quickly, we may expect it to occur in a solar event that will remove the AI.

That will also remove these certain entities that attach to us and control us. They use entities for mind control as well.

David: What is that going to look like? What happens to the average person whose been under this mind control if it was suddenly removed?

Corey: Well, if you’ve ever seen a person that was addicted to heroin and then they stopped cold turkey, it’s going to be very similar.

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah. They’ve had a certain state for so long that the shock . . . it would be sensory overload.

He said that we don’t operate normally as human beings. That’s true. We have other senses that are being blocked right now. It would be very similar to a blind or deaf person that all of a sudden – they’ve been that way all of their lives – and then all of a sudden they’re gifted vision or the ability to hear. They’re going to get sensory overload. They’re going to have to acclimate.

David: Well, one of the things I remember reading, and this goes back to Val Valerian and his infamous Matrix Series of books in the late 1990s. He pointed out that the cell phone frequency that has been chosen to be used by the government happens to also be the same frequency that the human skull resonates at if you ring it like it was a bell.

Corey: Right. Cell towers, they’re relaying data from your phone call, but they’re also . . . that technology is . . . they’re piggyback waves that are in there that are mind control. And this is part of this huge grid that goes across the planet that they use.

David: Do you think that somebody who lives in an urban area as opposed to a rural area, just by the number of Wi-Fi transmitters that are going to be around them, are going to be a lot more affected by all this stuff?

Corey: Absolutely. And you can see that in the behavior of people. You can see people act like idiots in the city because they’re just piled up on each other, but there is more to it than that. They have all this technology around them to where they are getting hit with all these waves.

If you’re out in a rural area, it’s going to be a lot less exposure.

David: Now, one of the most audacious things is where Tompkins very confidently disses every type of science we have. And I forget his exact wording, but he called it “garbage” or something like that.

Corey: It’s lies, yeah.

David: It’s a very hard thing for people to – people who are not familiar with what we’re talking about – to accept him making such a bold statement as that.

What do you feel is the reason behind that statement? How could that statement possibly be true?

I mean, it seems like with science we’ve figured out a lot of things. We’ve nailed a lot of things down. We’ve got some pretty good gadgets. We can travel.

Why do you think he would have said that?

Corey: Well, because every science you can think of, even archaeology, physics, medicine . . . all of these people are . . . it’s like the Dark Ages. The information is basically the Dark Ages. And we’ll look back at this time as being Dark Ages.

They’re using antiquated information, and they have been basically brainwashed and taught through their schooling process that, you know, “This is the truth; this is the way it is,” and not to think outside that box.

If you notice, people in these fields, if they try thinking outside of the box, they’re labeled ‘a conspiracy person’ or ‘a fringe person’ and they don’t get the respect they deserve.

David: Sure. We have to be dealing with a technology that is a lot more advanced than just what we would think of as a breathable gas, though.

If we’re talking about a technology that could actually steer us away from certain scientific discoveries. This is obviously a highly advanced technology, I would think.

Corey: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, the whole planet is bathed in this field, this mind-controlled field. They use gas just for kind of a localized situation. A little red light goes off on their AI monitoring, then they’ll send a small fleet over to gas the people, and then the little light will go off.

David: Most of the scholars that talk about mind control pretty much stick to ELF waves or extremely low-frequency waves. And there is research that has pointed towards the fact that if you beam a very low frequency, maybe 5 hertz or something, into a crowd, that you could induce mass hysteria. You could get the crowd to become very agitated. But we’re talking about pretty grotesque, blunt movements of peoples’ consciousness.

Corey: That’s very low tech . . .

David: Yeah.

Corey: . . . what you’re talking about compared to what these non-terrestrials have that they’re using on us.

David: Do we have any way of understanding how such significant manipulations of our thought patterns is accomplished – how it is actually done?

Corey: We’re going to have a problem understanding it, because we’re in the paradigm of understanding and believing all of these scientific lies.

David: Right.

Corey: The people in these programs that were investigating it, they had the benefit of having the true sciences. They operate in a way that we just wouldn’t understand, or very few of us would.

David: So once this mind control goes down – let’s say that it does go down – once we go through this sort of acclimation process, what does it look like on the other side?

Corey: Well, yeah, once we finally acclimate to our new abilities, which are actually old, old, ancient abilities that have been repressed in us, then we’re going to have to learn how to use them responsibly. We’re going to have to learn how to interact with each other in a whole new way.

We’ve been so programmed to be at odds with anyone whose skin is slightly different, or you worship a slightly different named God. We’re programmed to inter-fight.

We’re not going to be able to overcome that like that [snap of the fingers]. It’s going to be a process.

So we’re going to have a process ahead of us once Disclosure happens.

David: All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode – very fascinating stuff. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock, and I thank you for watching.


Cosmic Disclosure: Timeline Splits and Diversionary Tactics

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock, and in this episode, we are here with Corey Goode, bringing you some very interesting up-to-the-minute updates.

So without further ado, Corey, welcome to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So let’s talk about this first, because the first subject is one that is on a lot of people’s mind if they’re aware of what’s going on, and that is that there have been a very densely concentrated number of incredibly snide, vicious personal attacks against me, but much more so against you, and even against this network.

I will just say, for the record, that I consider these attacks to be very over-the-top and ludicrous. And I don’t typically respond to this kind of stuff because it’s just so absolutely outrageous.

But what are your thoughts or feelings about what’s going on right now? I mean, it’s obviously made to look like it’s just normal people having typical complaints, but what do you think is going on here?

Corey: Well, I’ve spoken to you; I’ve spoken to other people that have been in this business a long time. No one’s ever seen anything near the magnitude of this type of attack.

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And this is exactly what I said was coming at least six months ago, when I was told that anyone associated with the Navy Secret Space Program narrative had to be discredited and destroyed, because they want this Air Force narrative to come out and be disclosed.

David: The thing that surprises me the most about this, Corey, is the feeling of almost total invulnerability that the people perpetrating this appear to have. It’s as if they don’t have the slightest concern about being sued, or committing libel, or slander, or defamation. They just absolutely do not care.

What are your thoughts on that?

Corey: Well, as I stated, this is a part of a major operation. It’s not just a few people that have some issues. These are people that have been activated, and they have to squash or quash anything that gives credence to the Navy program.

They only want the Air Force program to be in the forefront right now, because they plan to disclose it fairly imminently.

David: Would they be attacking you if you were losing?

Corey: Absolutely not. When you put yourself out as a victim, you are then in defense mode. You’re not in attack mode, which is what they’re used to being in – having the upper hand and being on the attack. Right now, they look extremely desperate with the tactics they’re using.

David: You recently did a joint article with Dr. Michael Salla, and you’ve also made some Facebook posts regarding the idea that there could be some sort of official Nordic disclosure involving, I guess, something having to do with us being introduced to them.

Corey: Yes. And this could be tied to a recent meeting I had with Ka’Aree. I’ve never seen her display anxiety with body language or energy, and I was picking up anxiety.

And she let me know that the Anshar were concerned about the timeline, that things were not going well.

David: Hm.

Corey: And that because of that, not only them, the Anshar, but three other non-human beings along with the Anshar have decided to go against the Muhammad Accords, which is a really big deal.

They’re unable to get all the signatories of the Accords together to ratify it or to end it.

So because things have become so desperate, they are now stating that they’re going to start reaching out to humanity.

And in the beginning, they’re going to start reaching out to humanity en masse through dreams and visions to prep us for face-to-face contact.

And then they’re going to start appearing, very much like they have with me, with individuals and small groups of people but not on a national or world scale to where they’re going to be on television, that kind of a thing.

It’s going to be a slow acclimation process.

David: I want to be clear on this, and I want to get you to put this on the record. What type of person would be chosen for this kind of contact? And what kind of conduct would these beings be expecting from you if you were going to receive this type of contact?

Corey: They’re choosing people that they’ve been in contact with for a long time, usually, and a lot of these people spend a lot of time in a meditative state and are more in the frequency to where they can be communicated with

David: Uh-huh.

Corey: So usually, it’s going to be the more positive people, the quieter people, that have been focusing on their inner journey and have been preparing themselves for contact.

David: So just so that we’re clear, what you’re saying is then that these people would start by having, perhaps, a lot more vivid dreams than they’d been having before?

Corey: Yes, vivid dreams.

David: What might those dreams be like?

Corey: Communication dreams. Beings appearing to them in dreams and preparing them for face-to-face contact.

And when that face-to-face contact does occur, people could very well be receiving passes to ride along on motherships.

David: Okay, there’s a couple more things I really want to get clear about here. It would appear that a more ego-driven spirituality would take something like what you’re describing, and then somebody is going to want to portray themselves as a savior figure for humanity.

Corey: Well, there are going to be those, probably, who do that. But when you’re one person among thousands that this is occurring to, you’re not going to rise to the top to be any type of savior.

And they’re not going to be choosing those types of people anyway that have savior complexes, they’re just not.

David: What do you think will be the conditions in the world, or what have you been told will be the conditions in the world, that we will be seeing concurrently with when the in-person behavior starts to happen?

Corey: Well, a lot of people will be reporting these dreams – contact dreams. That’s going to be the major thing that people notice.

Now, one of these four groups is most likely the Nordic group that I received briefings on for quite a while. Gonzales, Sigmund and Ka’Aree have all spoken about this Nordic group possibly stepping forward.

This Nordic group has been in communication with all the world leaders, religious leaders, for a long time.

Recently, there was a meeting of all the world religious leaders, I believe in June, to where they all basically asked if we can just all get along. Isn’t that right?

David: It was about, “Let’s be friends”, that was the main theme, yeah.

Corey: Right. Be friends.

Well, a lot of information is coming in – a lot of it through the Air Force – that this Nordic group has been working very closely with the Vatican in a way to come out with their existence in a way that’s not going to shock the people.

Now, they fully expect that everyone is going to have a lot of questions, you know, about these non-terrestrials.

And we’re going to find out that they’ve been involved in our past for millennia, that they’ve appeared as angels. They have introduced different belief systems to try to manicure our consciousness, to get us to grow more consciously.

So it is very much expected that when we find out all this information, this group is going to give us, basically, their belief system, their religion.

And it’s going to be based a lot on Oneness and what a lot of people would consider esoteric ideas, but it’s expected that the masses, the massive part of the population, will adopt it very quickly.

David: So let’s just say, Corey, that there’s reason to believe that the Alliance may be very much more a factor in the Vatican now than ever before.

How does that reflect on this alleged disclosure plan you’re talking about?

Corey: Well, the Alliance could be a factor directly or indirectly. Some of the people within the Vatican may see the writing on the wall, and they figure they’ll make a whole lot of internal changes.

Maybe some of them have been fully briefed on this non-terrestrial group that’s going to be introduced, and they want to clean house before that occurs.

So there could be a number of reasons on why the Vatican is behaving the way they are.

But the fact that open discussion . . . And I’ve heard from other people that they’re hearing similar things about the Vatican coming out, announcing a human-looking ET group that is going to introduce a lot of interesting new ideas to humanity.

David: Now when you said before that four groups were planning on breaking the Muhammad Accords, I believe you said the Anshar was one of those groups?

Corey: Correct.

David: So do we know if any of these four groups would be a malevolent group?

Corey: These are positive groups.

David: Oh!

Corey: They have all worked together in this confederation. Four of them have decided to step away from the Muhammad Accords and then start to acclimate people for face-to-face contact.

David: How do you think that affects the overall plans for this partial disclosure that you’ve been sharing with us in the past?

Corey: Well, it affects it pretty heavily because the partial disclosure was going to start off with releasing information about ancient underground structures under the ocean and under the ice in Antarctica.

Then they were going to release the Secret Space Program that the Air Force and DIA control.

David: Uh-huh.

Corey: And at that point, then they would say, “The telemetry from these technologies has found even more under the oceans and under the ice. On that note, we happened to have found some of these structures on Mars,” for example.

So that’s how they plan on stepping things up.

Part of that narrative was going to be that ETs have visited the Earth, but hadn’t been here in thousands of years, except for maybe one or two here and there.

And that narrative will be heavily stepped upon if a Nordic race or human-like race has open contact and begins, at the Vatican, standing next to the Pope, speaking to people.

David: Do you think, or have you been told, that this could happen quite spontaneously with the world just like it is today as we’re taping? Or could it be in an aftermath of some sort of catalytic events?

Corey: There are a lot of events that are expected to occur in tandem with any of these disclosures.

As I was discussing, the military-industrial complex wants to start with ancient civilizations under the ocean and under the ice.

Well, they could drop that at any point.

What they’re going to do is use that as a diversionary tactic if there are any types of tribunals or arrests that start to occur. That’s going to be a major diversionary tactic that they plan on using.

David: I would assume then that these would be very impressive.

Corey: Absolutely.

David: How would you describe something as being more impressive than typical tabloid stories we’ve seen up until now?

Corey: Seeing actual video and actual telemetry instead of speculation. You’ll see . . . Like off the coast of Cuba, you have some sonar of ancient structures, but it was real hush-hush, after that.

David: Yeah.

Corey: These are going to be undeniable reports, and it’s going to be sanctioned reports, that are going to give you all the information that they’ve gained from investigating them.

And this is going to include some of the underwater sites and under ice sites.

David: Have they war gamed what they think people’s reactions will be to this?

Corey: Yes.

David: What are they expecting will happen?

Corey: Well, they’re expecting it to be a good diversionary tactic, but they also had originally planned to release this information, and eventually release the information that the beings that created the civilization under the ice were not human. And that these elites are part of the bloodline of these beings, therefore, they are special. That was one of the narratives that was going to be pushed.

They were going to push their religion, basically, on the rest of the world using these finds to back up the religion.

David: Well, you remember, Corey, that right before you and I started talking, I got this “authorized disclosure” from the United States government from one of my insiders that was the whole cosmic history of the Mars and Tiamat, or Maldek, civilization 500,000 years ago – blowing themselves up, going to the Moon, eventually crash landing here on Earth and becoming these Pre-Adamites.

Corey: Correct.

David: So do you think that that Pre-Adamite storyline is part of this idea of the elite being gods that they wanted to portray?

Corey: Yes.

David: How would that work?

Corey: Well, they are able to trace their bloodline back to this non-human group, the Pre-Adamites. So, therefore, it’s like the “divine right of kings”. They’re going to say, “Look at this vast civilization, what they were able to do. Why not give us control? We’re the same bloodline. We have all of their information. We can implement something like they had that’s technically advanced and a society where everyone can live together.”

David: What do you think is the goal of the Nordic group that’s doing this? What would be their ultimate objective for throwing off this partial disclosure timeline? What do they want from this?

Corey: They want to prevent a timeline that they have seen to where there is open negative rule – open rule by negative ETs.

They have seen timelines to where there is open rule by Reptilian-type ETs. They’re seeing different divergences in the timeline and how things are going.

So they’ve gotten to a point to where they have decided that they have to have all hands on deck and begin to have a hands-on approach instead of more of a remote approach, like they have been doing.

David: So you’re saying there is a possibility that these benevolent ETs see that even where we are right now, with as much awakening as we’ve had, that we could actually have a Reptilian-dominated planet?

Corey: That is one of the concerns, yes.

David: So what could we do to prevent that timeline from taking place? And what haven’t we done? Why would they see that it would even exist?

Corey: Well, I believe that they’re seeing now that there is so much interference from the negative groups. There are these cosmic laws to where you can’t directly interact with a developing society. You have to do it more in the background with puppeteers, secret societies, that kind of thing.

David: That’s both positive and negative sides, right?

Corey: Right. Well, the positive side finds ways to skirt these cosmic laws. The negative side will skirt the laws very well, but they’ll also outright break those laws.

David: But in both cases, we could say that each side has to contact people who are willing to follow their agenda, . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . whether it’s a benevolent agenda or an evil agenda, . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . and then work by proxy through those people instead of appearing directly.

Corey: Yes. But the negative groups have had more of a hands-on approach for a long time, and it’s caused a lopsided battle. So a lot of these positive forces that stick very closely to these cosmic laws are starting to get more hands-on.

David: Okay, so then people who are watching this show would ask, if the benevolents are so worried about this, then why don’t they just show up right now? Why are they so worried about coming forward and breaking their treaties and all this kind of stuff? What’s all the fear about?

Corey: Well, they still have to do things in the proper way. They can’t just appear in the skies. They have to go through a process like I discussed, where they’re going to start acclimating people through their dreams, appearing to them one-on-one.

That is the proper way to introduce themselves instead of just appearing in the skies.

David: Corey, apparently, Ka’Aree and some of the other Anshar have told you that the stakes for them are very, very high in this battle about whether we get this negative timeline or not.

So could you explain why the stakes are so high for them?

Corey: Well, as I’ve stated, the Anshar disclosed that their lineage is actually from our future. It’s kind of a hard thing to . . . It kind of twists your noodle a little bit.

They had something in their present, which is our future, that was similar to the Mandela Effect, which made them start looking back through time.

They located the cause. So they sent a group back, a small group, to maintain the timeline. And they sent them back about 17 million years.

So they’ve been here that entire time and have developed out independently. And it went from a small group to a pretty good-sized civilization that lives below the Earth.

Now, if they are not successful in maintaining their timeline, they could blink out of existence.

David: So they would not have existed before nor exist in the future?

Corey: They would not exist in the future, therefore, they would not exist in the past because they would not have had an opportunity to travel to the past to try to maintain the timeline.

David: Very bizarre.

Corey: Very bizarre.

David: Tell us what has happened, any updates you can share with us regarding the disappearance of Sigmund, since he was a major figure in some of our recent updates.

Corey: Yeah, I believe it was in April that he disappeared. And strangely enough, around that time period, a few other Air Force-type connections disappeared for other researchers. It was very bizarre.

Now since then, I’ve had a few meetings with the airmen that I call Tweedledee and Tweedledum, that . . . Some of them were kind of contentious.

In the beginning, they were very interested in knowing if I had heard from Sigmund, if I knew anything about Sigmund. And something felt a little off. I didn’t know what was going on.

Then most recently, in a meeting, these airmen hand me this report that they say was penned by Sigmund.

And in the report, it kind of contradicts a lot of the conversations I had with Sigmund. It says that they did not find any signs of a Navy Secret Space Program, even though he had interrogated some of these people himself.

So that, right away, got my attention.

And then the report started going down the line, stating that there are no giant spheres that came into our solar system, that all of this is a Nordic deception, basically, is what they were trying to tell me.

David: What about the Blue Avians?

Corey: The Blue Avians, they believe, is a creation of the Nordics. They believe the Nordics also created The Law of One. That was all in the report.

David: Interesting.

Corey: So they’re giving me this report, and I’m looking at it, and my spidey senses are going like crazy. You know, something’s just not right. And they’re observing me very closely.

Furthermore, the last time I had seen them, they started, I guess, pooh-poohing a lot of the intel I’d been given by Sigmund on Antarctica, on certain dates when things happened in the cosmos.

It was as if they were trying to disinfo me real quickly. And I felt a lot of deception coming from them. They were watching me, studying me, seeing how I would take in the information.

In the same conversation, when they were talking, I was picking up that Sigmund really wasn’t missing. I was getting the feeling that he was actually trying to infiltrate the SSP Alliance.

David: The Navy one.

Corey: The Navy. And I just stopped and went, “Oh!” I said, “Sigmund is trying to infiltrate the Alliance!”

And they lost their composure at that point. And they said if I stated that publicly, that my family would be harmed. And the last . . .

David: You got a threat from them?

Corey: Yep!

David: Really?

Corey: And that was before my last trip here to Gaia to do a report, and I left that out of the report.

David: So define “lost their composure.” They literally started yelling?

Corey: Yes.

David: And angry, violent faces?

Corey: Visibly angry.

David: Really?

Corey: They also told me that under no circumstances should I discuss the R&D facilities in Antarctica.

I’ve received a briefing on those, further briefing. They are EXTENSIVE! It is huge.

And also, the spaceport down there, they do not want us discussing.

They want us to go full bore and discuss the ancient civilization stuff, because that goes along with their narrative.

It’s very problematic, the information about what is going on down in Antarctica with these various contracting firms.

Anything that’s illegal to do or immoral, they’re doing it down there in those facilities.

David: Why do you think they care so much about what you would say or what I would say if most of the people in the world don’t believe any of this anyway?

Corey: Well, they do not want ANYTHING circulating about the R&D bases down there because it’s against a 1959 treaty. There could be a lot of negative ramifications, even though I hear other signatories of that treaty are doing similar things down there.

So this is a major black operation area, Antarctica is.

David: Hm-mm. What do you think is the end game for these two airmen in threatening you that way? Obviously, you’re not listening to them because you’re putting it here on public record.

Why would they threaten you so strongly? What are they worried about? What’s their vulnerability?

Corey: They want to steer me into reporting only the Air Force narrative, and everything they’re doing is trying to guide me in that direction.

If I cannot be guided into that direction, then the next stage has to occur to where they completely discredit me or anyone else reporting the Navy narrative.

David: I’m kind of going to fish here, but I think it’s a valuable fishing expedition. Is there a relationship between this Reptilian-controlled planet timeline and the partial disclosure timeline?

If they’re trying to steer us towards a partial disclosure timeline, is that the gateway drug for this negative take over of Earth somehow?

Corey: When the timelines split, there has to be a point from where they split. And depending on if it’s the negative timeline, positive timeline, or anything in between, it’s going to bifurcate at a different point.

So they’re going to try to control when that bifurcation occurs by controlling our mass consciousness. Our co-creative mass consciousness has a huge effect on these timelines.

So that’s one of the main reasons why we’ve been so mind-controlled.

David: Have you had any further interaction with Gonzales since we last put up dates out here, and if so, what has happened?

Corey: I meet with Gonzales every one to two weeks. He’s been helping manage the temporal dementia-type issues that are bleeding through, and also the two other 20-and-back bleed-throughs that are occurring.

Ever since he started treating me with that Magic 8 Ball thing, I started having dreams and flashbacks from the other 20-and-backs.

And most recently, I had a situation to where all of a sudden, I felt a little sweaty and nauseated, and was feeling outside of my body.

And then the next thing I know, I’m in some sort of a like an NBC-type suit or some sort of a protective suit. And we’re walking through this area that looks almost like a cave, but it looks like an ancient facility in this cave.

And we’re walking through. I can hear water dripping. And all of a sudden . . . It was just moments. And all of a sudden, I start leaning against the wall, and I’m feeling all dizzy.

And one of the women that was there grabbed my helmet and is looking at me and trying to communicate with me and looks over to someone else and starts saying, “It’s happening again! It’s happening again!”

And then I’m back, myself, current timeline, trying to make sense of what had just happened.

David: Hm! So you believe that that experience that you just recounted was from one of your 20-and-backs?

Corey: Yes.

David: And this would imply that some sort of degradation of your health or mental condition was taking place as a result of what they were putting you through?

Corey: Yes, but also the last 20-and-back was reported to be around the 1997 time frame.

David: Oh!

Corey: And we’re, what, 20 years out from that?

David: Right.

Corey: So like I’ve stated, a lot of the 20-and-back people start realizing that they were in 20-and-backs, or suspecting it, usually around the 20-year period after they’ve been released.

David: Is that where these bifurcated timelines start to knit back together?

Corey: After that 20-year timeline is when a lot of people start having memory recall, for some reason, of their service.

David: Interesting. Can you speak in a more knowledgeable fashion about the rough categorization of your three 20-and-backs now? Do you have an ability to say, “Okay, in this one, I actually worked Solar Warden. In this one, I did intercept and interrogate. Has it gotten that specific yet?

Corey: No, no. I was just having flashbacks of moments. And, apparently, the last two 20-and-backs were . . . I was involved with some pretty dark activities. So . . .

David: Okay. This is like galactic slave trade-type of stuff?

Corey: I’m sure it probably does.

David: Would you just say, on a general level, that the space program is designed on purpose to put people into what we would call evil or unethical situations so that no whistleblower could ever come forward?

Corey: Well, that’s one of the main reasons I’ve seen so many other whistleblowers walk right up to the line and not cross it. They do not want to self-incriminate. These are a lot of dark things that occurred, and there are a lot of people that could come forward and give a lot of information, but they’re afraid of incriminating themselves.

David: Could you be at all specific about the nature of how you would meet Gonzales? Is it similar to a construct like with Ka’Aree? Does it involve the Mayan breakaway type of method?

Corey: Yes, the Mayan breakaway. They basically teleport or transport me up to a vessel that they have in orbit.

David: Hm. So the way in which you’re seeing Gonzales in these meetings is in a Mayan vessel.

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Corey: Yes.

David: Are you interacting with anyone else when you’re there besides him?

Corey: No, just him. The Mayans will look at me and smile real warmly, but I have, still, to this point, never had an interface with one of them.

David: Do these meetings typically happen in the same room or the same location?

Corey: Yes, the same room that I’ve described before with the floating stone panel, flashing Mayan-type symbols.

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David: So was there anything further that you had from Gonzales that you feel is of importance to share with us right now?

Corey: Yes, actually. Quietly in the background, he has been in contract with elements of the Secret Space Program Alliance. They’ve been keeping their heads down big time after Sigmund’s group appeared.

Now, he’s been starting to give me briefings again, that are briefings that the SSP Alliance has asked him to give to me.

Now, this has included information about current events going on on the Earth.

On “Cosmic Disclosure” not too long ago, I had described how different military cells had been spread out throughout the United States before the elections to monitor some of these Deep State-type organizations and assets.

David: Hm.

Corey: Now, I found out more recently that these are Special Forces cells – I can’t say which branch – that these people, these soldiers, are the ones that had been sent to Kosovo, and places like that, to gather evidence against crimes against humanity.

David: Hm.

Corey: It’s not really legal for them to be doing domestic investigations, but they are. And they have identified all of the negative groups. They’ve been looking into the corruption. They’ve been looking into ties to very dark secret societies and activities tied to those, which we won’t go into details on. And they’ve identified all of these people.

And this military faction is waiting for a go-ahead to arrest these people. And they don’t’ expect it will be unless there is a military coup, because from the information I’ve received, the Deep State is in a place right now where they’re about to pull a few operations to remove some of the leadership that the Alliance has seeded into the United States.

When this occurs, if this occurs, I was told that the military groups that have been planning a coup will enact a coup, and that these Special Forces soldiers are gathering information for tribunals after something like a coup occurs.

David: Well, given the fact that these plans have been on the table for a long time, why do you think it’s taken us so long to actually have this happen?

Corey: Well, as I stated before, the Cabal groups were using this probable future technology that are AI algorithms that detect probable futures. This is how they’ve been able to stay out of the path of any type of arrests.

Now, a lot of the arrests that have been hyped up in the past have been just type, because strategically, there was not a situation to where the arrests could ever . . . The arrests could not occur because the Department of Justice was so controlled by the Cabal, as is the Congress.

The whole government is basically controlled. So there was never an opportunity to where anyone would be able to order arrests. It just wouldn’t happen. They could order arrests, but no one would carry them out.

David: Right. How do you feel it’s changed now?

Corey: Well, it’s changed now because the Alliance has stepped up their operations in the last few years, especially. And all the signs point to the Deep State, or Cabal, being now in a defensive position instead of an offensive position.

So a lot of the Alliance groups that are loosely knit are seeing this sign of weakness, and it’s emboldening them to apply more pressure to try to bring down the Cabal.

David: So if there were to be some sort of massive joint maneuver, how do you think we would encounter that as people who are just citizens?

Corey: Well, there would be a media blackout at first, until the hostilities had ceased. And then the military would take over the airwaves and give a full explanation of what had occurred. That’s what I’m told.

David: And you feel that this would be a benevolent thing?

Corey: I think that the Alliance feels it would be a benevolent thing. The people that are in control right now are the personification of evil – the things that they do.

David: Right.

Corey: I don’t even have to leave it up to people’s imaginations. It’s all over the Internet.

David: Have you had any further interactions with Blue Avians, and if so, what has been the content of that?

Corey: Yes. About five weeks ago, I finally had an encounter with Tier-Eir. I was picked up from my living room by a Blue Sphere, brought to another giant Blue Sphere, as I have had in the past, and I conversed with Tier-Eir.

And he showed me the solar system, and all of these spheres were pulsating and almost completely transparent.

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And he told me that soon they will fade, and the full brunt of these energies will hit humanity.

When that begins to occur, do not be afraid when we begin to see large clusters of earthquakes, volcanoes going off, storms becoming even more energetic and dangerous – that these things were going to be a part of it when we get the full impact of these energies.

David: Is that the solar flash? Or is this just an energetic change that’s preceding . . .

Corey: It’s the energetic change.

David: Okay.

Corey: And I was told also that the End-Time Madness-type stuff we’re seeing, where negative people are becoming very negative, positive people are becoming more blissed out, and we’re seeing the mentally ill people just lose it – a lot of mentally ill people just lose it – that that is going to occur exponentially, and it’s going to become a lot worse.

David: Hm.

Corey: So because of this End-Time Madness, we can expect to see more rattling of sabers and talk of war, and that kind of thing, which can be very fearful.

But what Tier-Eir was trying to communicate to me is that we should not be afraid because we will feed that beast, that we should be hopeful because these are signs that the great changes are about to occur that are going to give us this consciousness renaissance.

David: If in Law of One terms, if we take The Law of One as being real and that these beings are all represented in it, we would have the Blue Avians being two dimensional levels more advanced than the Anshar.

Do they have the same degree of concern about our future that the Anshar do, or are they more dispassionate?

Corey: They’re dispassionate, right.

David: Okay.

Corey: Yeah, I’m not sensing any type of . . . You don’t sense any type of ego at all. They’re more like a social memory complex that one of them is representing at the time.

It’s not the ego of one being that identifies herself as that name. It’s a different type of communication with them as opposed to the Anshar.

David: Did they give you any warning about a possible negative timeline for Earth?

Corey: Yes.

David: They did?

Corey: Yep. Yeah, they did state that we need to work harder, doing mass meditations and doing everything we can to try to co-create this positive timeline. That the way our consciousness is being manipulated now, that we’re headed, not necessarily to the bottom of the scale, negativity-wise, but somewhere in the middle.

David: Hm.

Corey: And if we get stuck somewhere in the middle, this next cycle is going to occur. You know, who knows what that’s going to mean for humanity.

David: Do you have any further information to share with us on these large motherships that we’ve talked about in the past that have been found in Antarctica and have been excavated over the course of many years?

Corey: Yes, actually. I received, basically, a fairly decent briefing on the R&D facilities there that they really don’t want me to talk about, as well as more information about, especially, the three original craft that were discovered on ground level beneath the ice.

There were three oval craft, one very large, two smaller. They’re the ones that they jokingly call the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria.

They arrived at the same time and positioned themselves in a triangulated position on the surface.

And then the beings that were in the craft then began to cannibalize the craft to create a city between them.

David: And this was, I believe you said, around the time of 500,000 years ago – the original one?

Corey: No, this occurred around 60,000 years ago . . .

David: Oh! Okay, that’s the more recent one.

Corey: . . . when they came here and crash landed here.

David: Okay.

Corey: But they already had an enclave down here since before Tiamat and all of that in that area.

David: Right. But when you say “ground level”, do you mean . . .

Corey: Under the ice.

David: So it was on ice?

Corey: No, it was on the dirt, . . .

David: Okay.

Corey: . . . and there were trees, plants. They landed amongst all of that.

David: Okay.

Corey: They created a society, a civilization that rose pretty high. And one of the things I discussed is that they were really big into genetic engineering. They would mix their genetics with the humans’ genetics and the different animal genetics.

One of the things that I mentioned when we first talked about this was that in one of the genetic labs, they found a very strange Reptilian being that was in different stages of development. They were small and larger.

David: Hm.

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Corey: And what I’m wondering is if the recent discovery of the three-fingered mummy from Nazca, if it could be one of these Pre-Adamite experiments.

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I’m also wondering if . . . We’ve heard the Draco complain about . . . there were three lost Reptilian races from the Earth that humanity had destroyed a lot because we were told to by human-like ETs.

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And so they blame these human-type ETs and humans for removing their genetic experiments from the Earth.

David: Hm.

Corey: And I’m wondering if possibly that these two different types of beings that have been reported by Gaia are two of the three lost races.

So I have an inquiry out on that, and I’m waiting to hear back.

David: For the record, what is your personal feeling about the mummies that have been shown on “Unearthing Nazca”?

Corey: It’s mind-blowing! I think a lot of people had a knee-jerk reaction or it threatened their belief system so much that they just had to say, “It’s a hoax! It’s a hoax!”

But when you look at the X-rays, you can see that that’s anatomy.

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Those bones grew together.

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So I can’t see how it could be a hoax myself. I mean, if it is, why would someone go through all of the trouble to create a hoax like that? It would take so much time and money. What would their goal be?

So I can’t wait to get back the genetic report to take a look at that, to see if there’s reptilian, human and unknown DNA in it. Or if it’s reptilian, even maybe some avian DNA.

David: Have you ever seen, in your own travels, any three-fingered extraterrestrial-type beings?

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Corey: Well, yes, the Golden Triangle-Headed beings are three-fingered. And there are also other . . . It’s kind of rare. Three-fingered beings are not common – three fingers that are just very easy to move around, and that they’re able to bend around in all kinds of weird ways.

But most of the beings that have been reported have either three fingers and a thumb claw, five fingers, or six fingers.

And our planet produces a certain harmonic field. And that field interacts with DNA, and it creates a template. And one of the templates of our planet is that most beings have five fingers.

David: So do you think that there would be energetic modifications to an extraterrestrial’s DNA if it lived here long enough, based on those native vibrations from the planet Earth?

Corey: Yes, yes. Some people call this Schumann Resonance, or whatever, but the frequency that the Earth puts out is going to have an effect on any being’s DNA that is here long enough. It’s going to begin to change the DNA.

David: How do you think that the Solar Flash events affect DNA as compared to the sort of ground state that we’re in in between them?

Corey: Well, it’s definitely got a . . . Just exposure to the Sun alone has an affect that changes your DNA. So that type of an energetic explosion from the Sun is going to have a very huge impact on our DNA.

Like I said, it depends on what you think the Solar Flash is. A lot of people think that we’re going to be hit with all these particles, and we’re all going to get cancer, or we’re going to die very quickly from exposure to these different radiations.

And some people think that there’s going to be some sort of spontaneous Ascension.

I think the truth is really somewhere in between there. From what I’ve been told by Tier-Eir, what’s going to occur is going to be more of a change on a consciousness level that’s going to send us into a consciousness renaissance, like Mika’s people went on.

And in that consciousness renaissance, we begin to understand how to manipulate time and space.

David: Very good. All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. We’re here with Corey Goode. And I want to thank you for watching.


Cosmic Disclosure: The Descent Into Area 51 with David Adair

Wilcock Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock, and in this episode, we’ll bring you another round with our special guest, David Adair, a man who actually was able to walk around in Area 51.

David, thanks for being back.

David Adair: So glad to be here.

Wilcock: You’re describing this thing that looks like you’ve just rolled into the scene of a horror movie.

Adair: Ha. Could be.

Wilcock: You’ve got some alien creature, if you will, with bones around it, and it’s gigantic. You didn’t have any fear as this is all happening to you.

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Adair: Yeah, you’re the first person that ever asked me that question. No, I was having fun.

This . . . The only thing I was scared of is Rudolph, you know? That human down there is dangerous, you know?

No, this thing was just . . . I was just mesmerized, you know, because every time I see something, I’ve got about 50 questions behind that.

And when the thing started interacting, you know, shadows and stuff like that, I thought, “Man, what is going on with this thing?”

So I turned around and asked Rudolph, “Can I climb up on top?” Because the bone work like lattice work. It’s like a rib cage casting down on each end and then meeting in the center. The ribbing would kind of interlace, so it’s protecting the big structure underneath.

Wilcock: So you could climb it like a ladder?

Adair: Well, you could. It’s just . . . Think of a big skeleton of a dinosaur. You can crawl up that thing. So because it had angles and horizontals, and perpendiculars, so you’re got ways of climbing up on it.

So I looked at Rudolph, [and I] said, “Can I climb up on this thing?” And he said, . . . First thing you hear all the Air Force people, “No!”

“Yeah, go ahead.”

Wilcock: Ha, ha.

Adair: And I actually said thanks to him – about the only time I ever really thanked him.

So I crawl up on this thing, and as I’m crawling on the bone, wherever I’m touching the bone structure, nothing. But the big smooth area that’s recessed inside that the bone structure’s protecting, when you touched it . . . I swim with . . . go to a place where you swim with dolphins and all that.

Wilcock: Uh huh.

Adair: If felt just like a dolphin’s skin.

Wilcock: Hm.

Adair: And you push hard, and I pushed on it, it would go in a little bit, and then it’s just like rock. So it’s like organic covering with steel or some kind of alloy on the inside.

Wilcock: So were you about 25-feet up when you got to the top, off the ground?

Adair: It’s 15-feet high and 22-feet wide.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: I was about 15-feet up – about 5 feet more than a basketball goal, which is pretty tall.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: Don’t want to fall off. You definitely would feel it.

Wilcock: Right. You wouldn’t . . . It wouldn’t kill you, but you would be hurt.

Adair: You definitely would be hurt. So I crawl up on top. But when I pull myself up, I pushed against that smooth area, and then the thing . . . it started reacting.

Wherever my skin would make surface contact around my hand, cascading down inside would be these really pretty blue and white waves – kind of like that wave motion machine you sit in front of executives to keep them calm, a little device you can buy.

Wilcock: Blue and white, as in, like, light? Or what did it look like?

Adair: It had its own illuminosity. You could see it outside of the other material. And it actually glowed a little bit and would run down its side. You’d pull your hand off of it, and it would dissipate at the most outer reach, and then come back to where the original contact was, and that’d be the final area that would dissipate.

Wilcock: Did you feel any electrical charge or anything as that happened? Any heat?

Adair: No heat, but there was something going on, because I noticed the hair on my arm was standing up.

Wilcock: Ah.

Adair: So there was . . . but it wasn’t any electrical charge. Maybe static, but I didn’t get a shock.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: You could definitely feel something going on.

And so I lift off of it, and I turned around and looked at Rudolph, and I put my hand on it, and they’re watching it, right?

And the way their faces look, it’s . . . I looked at them. I said, . . . I took my hand off and I’m looking at their faces, and I take my hand back on it, and they were looking at it, and I was like, “Y’all haven’t seen this before, have you? Huh.”

And they got made over that. And so apparently, they can’t get a reaction.

Wilcock: It likes you.

Adair: I guess. If it was a cat, it’s be purring, I guess. But I asked Rudolph, “Can I climb up on top?” And he says, “Go.”

Air Force, “No.”

“Yeah, go ahead.”

So I get up on top. And you’re walking down what looks like – this is really weird. It looks like a giant spinal column with vertebrates.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And there’s a bone plate that . . . I would say it was probably about 4-feet wide, and then the vertebrates at . . . and then . . . It makes it very easy to walk. So I just step over the vertebrates.

And then I notice in between the vertebrates, there’s this big bundle of . . . It looks like fiber optics. But it’s not really fiber optics, because it’s got a fluid running through it.

Now, the best way I can describe this fluid is, when we were kids, you’d fall and hurt your knees, get skinned. Your mom would come at you with this bottle, and you’re going to hate this, cause it’s called Merthiolate.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: And it’s going to burn like holy fire when it hits your skin. But the color of Merthiolate was so unique. It’s bluish orange green iridescent. You hold it up to sunlight, the bottle, it was gorgeous-looking.

Well, anyway, that’s the kind of fluid running through these tubes.

Wilcock: Weird.

Adair: And they run all the way down the whole length of the spinal column.

But then I lean over and look down, and it’s really cool. These fibers break out of the trunk case every other . . . almost every vertebrate, and they spread out running down its sides.

And when you back up from it, like down on the floor, you can see it clearly then. It looked like a human’s neural synaptic firing system.

Wilcock: But you said they looked like fiber optics. So this . . . that part doesn’t sound biological.

Adair: No. It just reminds me a little of a lyric or in a song, “partly fact, partly fiction, a walking contradiction.” That’s what this thing was.

Wilcock: Ha, ah.

Adair: It’s like . . .

Wilcock: Was it breathing?

Adair: That was something I checked for. Remember I put my hands on it?

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: I stood there, and I was being real quiet, and I was looking for a pulse or breathing.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: I didn’t feel anything. But by God, it wouldn’t surprise me if it did.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: If it sneezed, I would have jumped.

Wilcock: Ha, ha.

Adair: So anyway, I’m walking down it. I’m heading toward . . . and I think of a figure eight, an hourglass, a figure eight where they cross over. Right at the crossover, on . . . God, I don’t’ know what’s front and back on this thing, but the side facing out to us, there was a hole that was deep.

Wilcock: A hole?

Adair: A hole.

Wilcock: Like it had been shot and damaged?

Adair: Yeah. And to make things more confusing in trying to figure it out, something machine-like, where you’d blow a hole in it, the metal would be really sharp – shards and hanging around the blast area. It would be really sharp.

I saw a picture once, and it looked just like this. When they fire a harpoon into a whale, it has a grenade charge, and it detonates. God, what that must feel like to that whale. But they blow a big hole in the whale, and you see a big hole. And you see the blubber, right?

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: That’s what this blast radius looked like.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: It looked like blubber, not shards of metal. And actually, that . . . Now, that’s starting to disturb me, . . .

Wilcock: Sure.

Adair: . . . because that looks like meat. And I thought, “Man, what in . . .” You know, I kept asking them, I said, “It’s like . . .”

“No, it’s a machine.”

“No, it’s organic.”

“No, it’s a machine.”

It’s like you go back and forth as you see things.

So I lean over the side and look down the hole and asked Rudolph, “Can I take a look inside the hole?”

Wilcock: Are there any lights or controls or visible . . .?

Adair: No, it’s dark in there.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: Which, I don’t know why I even wanted to go down in there. It’s kind of nuts to think about it. Why do you want to crawl in a dark hole?

Wilcock: No kidding. Especially, this is already, like, a scene from a horror movie, right?

Adair: Well, I figured at this point it doesn’t matter. I’m gone anyhow, so . . .

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: So I asked Rudolph, “Can I go inside this hole?”

Boy, the Air Force people went from “no” to “definitely not”. Rudolph said, “Quiet. Yeah, go ahead.”

And so I stepped down, and I’m expecting it to be mushy, you know, give way, but it doesn’t.

Wilcock: Did it smell like anything?

Adair: There’s another good question. There was an overall scent to the thing. I know this is going to really sound strange. It smelled like baked goods.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Now you’d expect some kind of chemical, metallic odors and stuff, right? No, this thing smells like cookies. I have no idea what that is.

Wilcock: Weird.

Adair: So I step on the . . . on the torn flesh, blubber, metal, whatever. And when you step on it, it doesn’t give at all. You can feel that it’s like, almost like a rubber, a real hardcore rubber, like rubber on a tricycle tire, you know?

Wilcock: Uh huh.

Adair: And I thought, “Man, what is this? What is this thing made of?”

So I step down. I squat down and just slip . . . And just as soon as I get to the event horizon of the area, a light comes on inside. It’s like a blue light.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Very light baby blue. And you can see things down in there. And I’m looking at this going, “Oh, man! What . . .”

Whatever interacts with this thing, it’s got to be a bipedaled anthropoid, because there’s a . . . The floor has a platform that drops off.

There’s a chair – like chairs we’re sitting in, and you see our feet are here. That means we have legs and knees bent. So whoever is fooling with the thing is built like me and you.

Wilcock: Same sized body? Bigger, smaller?

Adair: Same. About the same size.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: A little bit bigger so it can accommodate you with some comfort.

So I slide on down in there. And this is where it’s really interesting. Apparently, this is a power plant that would be inside a spacecraft. It’s gotta be.

Blast came through the hull of the craft, came into the side of the engine, blew its way into this area. And what I think this area is, is a diagnostic center. It’s where maintenance people, or crew members, would sit down in this chair.

There’s no chair there because you can see some outlines, remnants of a chair. But the blast came through, come through the wall, through the chair, taking it out, into this wall.

Wilcock: About how big is this room that you’re in right now?

Adair: About the area between me and you.

Wilcock: Oh! So it’s pretty small.

Adair: Like a cockpit.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: So . . . but this wall over here on the right, you’re sitting down, there’s, like, an observation window, which I thought was the coolest thing, because if it’s running, that means you can see the plasma flow in this thing.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: That’d be so cool. How cool would that be?

But the blast went through the wall, and the next thing you encounter would be the electromagnetic shielding, the fields.

Whatever blasted through there, it either . . . the wall, the fields, stopped it, or they both stopped at contact. Because as soon as this made contact, simply because that kind of blast occurred, and the rest of it’s intact, you would have to shut down in a picosecond, about a trillionth of a second.

Otherwise, the engine would have been vaporized by the heat that’s inside the plasma fields. Inside the electromagnetic fields, nothing would survive.

So it shuts down real . . . a fail safe. That’s how you shut it down in an emergency.

So if somebody was shooting at this thing, they knew exactly where to hit.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: I mean, within an inch. They knew exactly where to hit the thing to shut it down and still keep it intact.

Wilcock: Did you look for a control surface with the seat?

Adair: Yes, I did. Matter of fact, I sat down in what was left of the chair, and right in front of me are these two big pods about the size of a volleyball if you cut it in half.

And they’ve got indentations, and it’s where your digits go. However, it wouldn’t be like that. [David Adair puts his hand out palm down.]

The only way you could get your hands into it, us, you’ve got to put these two fingers together. [He brings his middle finger and ring finger together. Then he raises both hands and shows his index finger, middle and ring fingers combined, and his little finger.]

So that’s what you’ve got. And then you set it down, and you’ll sink down till the top of your hands are even with the surface of the pods.

Wilcock: Are you saying that there was more width in the area where your two fingers go together?

Adair: Yeah, just enough for you to sink down into it to where the top of your fingers are now flush with the pod.

Wilcock: Okay. Okay.

Adair: So it was obviously . . . That’s what you’re supposed to do.

Wilcock: Well, now this is interesting, David, because this sounds very, very similar to what Arnold Schwarzenegger puts his hand into at the end of “Total Recall”. And I’m wondering if they might have borrowed that from you, because you might have done this testimony before they made that movie.

Adair: Oh, yeah. I remember seeing that.

Wilcock: Except his . . . It’s these two fingers in “Total Recall” [David Wilcock holds his index finger and middle finger together] not these [middle finger and ring finger]. But it’s very similar-sounding.

Adair: Yeah. Well, this is how I did it.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: Yeah, but if I remember “Recall” right, the next thing didn’t happen. I sat down. I finally get my hands settled in, and no sooner than I get them all settled, I thought, “Well, this is cool. It fits.”

These interlocking rings came up like a . . . I saw a Batman movie with the Batmobile and its shield. And it goes, “Chink, chink, chink, chink, chink.” You know, it’s covered.

Well, that’s what it did, except it was faster than the Batmobile. It just went, you know, “Ching, ching, ching, ching”. And it was already up to your knuckles.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And this thing has got you. Then all those rings started tightening down, and I was thinking, “It’s going to cut my fingers off if it don’t . . . “ So I started to yell for help.

And it’s just . . . The interaction with the thing was . . . That’s what it was designed for. Maintenance people would put their hands in. I didn’t build it. I don’t know the language. I don’t know anything.

So it’s just . . . You know, I just wonder what they did with it. But obviously, it was designed to maintenance. And with that window to look at the plasma field, obviously, they would do alignments.

That’s something else I saw in the plasma fields. I have these very specialized plates that move the electromagnetic field so I can . . . for efficiency.

Wilcock: Uh huh.

Adair: They had something that looked like a tetrahedral turned inside out. And they were spaced all along the walls, but they were all in line of sight with each other.

So I think that’s how they . . . I don’t know what they’re doing. It was just . . .

Wilcock: So you saw tetrahedrons inside?

Adair: Yeah.

Wilcock: What do you mean “turned inside out”?

Adair: It’s the way . . . You know how they look like a Moravian star?

Wilcock: Uh huh.

Adair: Okay. Imagine you take a Moravian star and you do a reverse of it. One spike would go this way. It’d actually go in the other direction.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: And I could tell it’s like some kind of reverse matrix that’s not known to us. Maybe it had something to do with polarity of the electromagnetic fields. I don’t know what they were doing. I didn’t design it.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: And I guarantee you, they were smarter than me.

Some of the designs, though, I saw throughout the thing, I memorized. So when I reassembled my own version again, I cheated. I was told their idea. They had better ideas.

Wilcock: So you must be scared. This thing is – pfft! It’s like popped over your hands.

Adair: Yeah. Well, I just . . . Yeah, I just about freaked out, and I started to yell for help. And it says . . . There’s a voice I can hear. And it says – sounds like Lauren Bacall . . . Ha, ha.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Some female sultry voice, and it says, . . . like Veronica Rabbit, or something like that. It just . . . “Be quiet.” And it’s got a hold of it.

And I went, “Okay.” You know, like, “Oh, God!” You know, how stupid am I? I crawled inside an alien vehicle, stick my hands down in it. It grabs hold of me. God knows what’s going to happen next.

You know, I thought, “I’m not thinking through this stuff. It’s too much . . .” A phrase kept going through my head, “Curiosity’s going to kill the cat,” you know. There was definitely information exchanged.

I remember coming . . . It was really like an intense heat coming up my arms. And when it got to where my neck was – carotid artery – it’s just like . . . All of a sudden you have a heads-up viewer.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: And images you see are just unbelievable. I couldn’t make sense of anything. I saw different star systems.

What I came away with is impressions. That’s how I think it talks to us, anyhow, because I guess we can’t speak their language, so how else do you communicate?

Well, we are beings of feelings. That’s a whole new world, another way of communicating, like body language. Well, this is feelings and impressions.

Wilcock: Did you see any hieroglyphics or unusual writing like that?

Adair: No, but I saw entire civilizations, advanced worlds. This thing is a power plant that is intercon . . . it’ll connect into a big craft. Then you have a crew. All three are sentient beings.

Imagine your power plant’s alive. Your spacecraft is alive and your crew, and y’all interlock with each other in symbiotic relationship.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: What a way to travel through space, God almighty! Pretty much eliminate the need for damage control. Think about it.

You get in some trouble, get hit or something, you’re the captain sitting in the bridge. You don’t need somebody to tell you where the . . . You know where we’ve been hit because you feel it.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: You’re aware of it. You know, somebody blew a hole in your side. You would know it.

And even if you didn’t have visuals, you could tell where the enemy is anywhere around you.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: Man, wouldn’t the Navy like to get a hold of that?

So anyway, I thought – you know, what felt like maybe hours. I’m sure I was there just a few minutes, because the people downstairs didn’t even seem to be, you know, alerted it was long or even that I’d been in there too long.

So I come out. And soon as I got to the opening, the light goes back down – just, like, shuts off. Some kind of, you know, sensory.

Wilcock: I’m curious, though. Were you able to see in these visions what these people originally looked like or anything about their civilization? What the buildings were?

Adair: Yeah, there were a few things that stuck in my head. Apparently, this symbiotic society, it’s old, man. It’s not thousands of years. It’s not a million years. This thing’s like eight or nine billion years old.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: It’s the oldest thing there is in the universe. You know, it’s just . . . It’s the first of the species of the universe – not just the galaxy, the entire universe.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And home to them is the space between the galaxies.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Kind of like a whale living deep in the ocean. That’s where these things reside, I guess. And they’re a mixture of . . . kind of like – now that we know it – kind of like the Borg.

Wilcock: Uh huh.

Adair: They’re a mixture of birth and construct all together, all at once.

Wilcock: Did you get a sense that they were a positive people, not like a warlock, evil race?

Adair: No. But apparently, I can’t . . . just images, impressions. But this thing must have been in a knock-down, drag-out battle of some kind.

Wilcock: Hm.

Adair: And it got wounded, and that’s the best word for it. It got wounded in a conflict, and so it’s looking for a place to land, you know, repair itself or heal, heal up. I don’t know what it does.

Where are we as a planet in our galaxy? Where are we? We’re right out on the very edge.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: It flew into our galaxy. First planet it came on, M-class planet, probably been us.

Wilcock: Hm.

Adair: So it slides in. And they may have found this thing. We wouldn’t have been capable of shooting something like that down probably. Nah.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: No, they dug it up. Maybe that’s why they built Area 51 where it’s at . . .

Wilcock: Hm.

Adair: . . . because they hit a treasure trove, which means the spacecraft is somewhere, and it’s big. So if you’re going to follow that matrix, that means the crew’s somewhere around.

Wilcock: Do you think that a reactor like this could power . . . would have enough energy density to power an entire city like Los Angeles?

Adair: Oh! Not just city. It could power an entire planet.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: You know, carriers come in. Like, one of our naval carriers went to Beirut, and they ran their reactors into Beirut and ran the whole power supply of Beirut till they got the infrastructure up. The place has been just bombed to death.

This thing could land on a planet. This power plant can be extracted easily. It’s only got four disconnects and lifts right out.

So you could drop it off and power an entire planet with it.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: So it’s just . . . I don’t know how much power the thing’s got.

Imagine not just a yellow star like ours to a medium star. And you pour a million Earths inside the thing, it’s so big.

I think this thing’s got the power of a giant blue. It’s just unlimited.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And I couldn’t imagine what weaponry of something like that, but the thing never seemed to have a need for weaponry. Maybe defense.

But anyway, I crawled out of this thing, and I had a different attitude. That was an excellent question you asked me – was I scared?

I never was scared of this device or anything in Area 51. I was more scared of Arthur Rudolph than anything.

So I got out, but I am so angry when I come crawling out of that thing, I guess, because I’ve seen so much.

And what hit me is that, “Nobody knows about this. Nobody has a right to keep this kind of knowledge away from everybody.”

I stop, and I talk to these guys again, the Air Force people and Rudolph, and finally, I just . . . They asked me something, and . . . Oh, they wanted to say, “Did I learn anything in there that I could tell them how this functions?”

And that was the last straw.

I just yelled down to them, “Look, this thing is not ours. It’s not theirs, the Soviets. As a matter of fact, it’s not from the neighborhood, is it, guys?”

I said, “And how old is it? How long have you had it? And did you shoot it down? I don’t think so. Did you dig it up?”

Boy, now they’re bristling, and they are furious. And I don’t care anymore at this point, because I told them, “Nobody, I mean nobody, no president, no head of state, has a right to withhold this kind of knowledge from the entire human race.”

Wilcock: You said this out loud as you’re standing up there on the platform?

Adair: Oh, yeah! Yeah, it’s a good place to . . .

Wilcock: In the middle of Area 51?

Adair: Yeah, it’s a good place to . . . Ha, ha, ha.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: I hadn’t thought of it till you said that. I guess I was stump preaching. Man, look at the stump you’re standing on.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: But I don’t know, I just had this . . . I’m normally very easygoing and everything, but boy, at that moment, I am just furious.

And I’m saying things. I thought, “David, did you just say that to them?” Yeah, and I’m pissed off.

Well, they’re angry. And they tell me, “Get off the damn thing.”

So I’m coming down, and when I put my hand back on the smooth area on the innards of this thing, as soon as my skin hit it, cascading 20 or 30 feet down the side of this thing, way longer than the blue and white, now it’s red, orange flames going down, halfway down this thing’s body, wherever my contact is.

I pulled it back [his hand], slapped it on again, and it’s there.

And as I’m marveling at what’s happening, it starts retracting back down. Then it turns back to blue and white because I’m calming down.

This thing is not heat sensitive recognition alloy. This thing is feelings recognition. This thing feels me. It knows when I’m easygoing and when I’m really pissed off.

How in the hell does it do that? It’s interacting.

Well, anyway, we come down off of the engine. All they tell me is, “Get on the cart. Get in the back.” You know, just real curt.

So I get in the back, and I’m facing outward, and they’re driving forward. And we’re going back up the causeway, back up to the elevator so we can go back up to the roof, the other floor.

And that’s when I hear these guys whispering, because the wind’s blowing past them past my ear. I can hear them, and they don’t think I can hear them, and I hear everything.

And they’re saying, you know, “We’ve got to get him to help us figure out how this engine works or get him to replicate another engine” like mine so they can have one to take apart and one to have working. And that way, they have a completed cycle, and they can start mass producing.

And they said they need it for “the first strike fleet.”

And I’m going, “God! How many do they plan to build?” Well, how many nuclear warheads did we have in 1971? 4,000? So they want my speed.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: How do you . . . How do you win MAD? MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. It’s what we live under, have lived under since the Trinity test. [Trinity was the code name of the first nuclear bomb test under the Manhattan Project, July 16, 1945, in New Mexico.]

The only answer to winning MAD is speed. Whoever strikes first and strikes the fastest wins.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: And I just gave them the vehicle they need.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: And I thought, “I’m trying to build you a power plant. You want to go nuke half the planet.” Because they’re not thinking. If you nuke the Soviets, who are you going to have to kill that same day? China. Now you’re looking at 50% of the population of the planet.

So what you’re talking is a worldwide military coup, and we will be reigning kings. That’s horrifying. That’s worse than the Germans.

And now I’m getting even more pissed, because I’m trying to give you unlimited energy, clean, change the carbon footprint. I’m not a tree hugger. I’m a science person, you know? I build things.

But this is good for you, your kids, your grandkids. You’ll bring carbon footprint to a halt.

Another thing this engine can do, I can go send one over to Yucca Mountain, burn all of its waste into my reactor, give you energy and get rid of the waste forever.

I mean, man, this thing could really change this place. And here they want to make a weapon system out of it so we can . . . So that’s all they think when you first discover nuclear power. What do you do with it? Build a nuclear power plant? No, you blow a hole in the ground.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: So it just really pissed me off. And I’m riding up to the surface on the elevator, and I’m thinking, “I’ve got to blow my rocket up. This just sucks.”

It took me 26 months to build this thing. It came out of me. It’s like . . . It’s like you have a child. And now, because of their moronic ways, you’re going to have to kill your child. That sucks!

So I get up to the hangar . . .

Wilcock: Now Curtis LeMay was one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I believe, during John F. Kennedy’s administration.

Adair: That’s right.

Wilcock: Yeah. So you’re talking about the highest levels of the American command structure that want to use this for first strike.

Adair: That’s correct. I can see where you’re going with this. Ha.

I don’t know what to tell you, man. I’m just an average guy, and I just realize everything’s getting perverted. They just want to do destruction.

How much have we learned from all the wars? Not a damn thing, except how to kill more efficiently.

So here’s the problem with, how do you blow up a rocket on a top-secret Air Force base, and you’ve got nothing but your clothes? What are you going to do?

So I’m sitting there, trying to think. I thought, “Oh, God! Come up with something. I can’t let them walk away with this.”

So I saw the answer. We pull up, the elevator levels out up at the top. We’re back in a hangar.

So I walk over to the hangar doors, and I look down at the wheel and there’s a hub. So I just kind of lean down like I’m sitting against the door and reach down and get a handful of graphite grease.

Ask anybody what happens when graphite meets deuterium. It’s a violent reaction.

So I start screaming and hollering, “I’m never going to see my rocket again. You’re going to take it away from me.” Just being a whiny little thing, because Rudolph can’t handle that.

I said, “At least let me see it once before . . .” and he told the two guards, “Take him on the cart and go out there.” I need to check the engine out there anyhow.

So we went out there – just me and these two guards.

So we drive up. I said, “You know what, you guys mind staying in the cart here? This thing may be leaking.” Them guards aren’t going to move.

So I get out.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: I go in. I open up the induction chamber, slide in the graphite. It’s going to be pulled into the cyclotrons, and the cycle will start up in 90 seconds. Hope that’s enough time.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: So I set it for 90 seconds, close the door, and you hear it winding.

I turn around to these guards and go, “Oh, my God! It’s leaking! Do you hear that whine?”


“It’s going to detonate.”

We get in that car, and man, they are leaning forward, you know, ha, ha, to see how fast they can get . . . We were just touching the high spots on the ground. (Eeee . . . )

Wilcock: Oh, my gosh!

Adair: And he asked me a really good question like you asked. “What’s a safe distance?”

Wilcock: Ha, ha.

Adair: And I’m sitting there going, because . . . Oh, God! If it goes nuclear . . . I went, “Chicago!”

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: And the guards look at each other, and they lean forward, you know! Ha, ha, ha.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: We go hell flying through there and more likely to be killed in this damn cart than the blast.

But we get up to the hangars, and boy, Pitholem, she detonates. And it blows a hole the size of a football field, about 100-feet deep. Did not go nuclear.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: Just convention. But biggest piece they found out there, about the size of my thumb.

Wilcock: How loud was it? Did you have some hearing damage?

Adair: As a matter of . . . Man! Those are fabulous questions you ask. Yes, I have permanent hearing damage in the ultrasonic rings in both ears forever.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: Kind of handy, though. I could be laying in a room and there’s a cricket. I can’t hear it. Anybody else is going, “God! I can’t stand that cricket!”

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: “What cricket?” You know? But if we hear in mid-range and low-range, I’m fine. But the ultrasonics, gone.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: No one ever asked me that. So it’s real. This is real stuff. It’s real permanent damage, real reactions.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: So even the audiologist, when he takes my reading, he went, “Man, what hit you?”

I said, “Why?”

He said, “The way your inner ears and the stirrups . . . it must have been an ultra-high-pitched . . . It must have been one whale of an explosion.”

I went, “Yeah, it was.”

So anyhow, I get back up there, and now I’m going to show you how smart Rudolph is. He’s just looking at this, you know, mini-nuclear cloud out there. And he looked at the guards, and he said, “What happened?”

“He says it was leaking.”

Now he knows these things don’t leak. So he’s looking at me, and he grabs my hand and rolls the hand over, and he looks at the hangar door. That’s fast.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And he just looked at me, and he goes, “Very clever!”

And then he just hits me so hard my lower teeth pushed through my lip. And I hit the ground, and I’m spitting blood everywhere.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: I’ve got a really nice looking scar inside. And I hear all these guns cocking, and I thought, “Man! Just at this point, just go ahead and shoot me! I don’t care.”

And I roll over and look up, and guess where all the gun barrels are pointing? At Rudolph.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: These are Air Force personnel. He’s a Nazi. He just smacked the heck out of a Midwest Ohio boy in front of these Air Force people.

And I look up, and I went . . . you know, just bleeding everywhere. And I look up, and I went, “Well, Rudolph, I guess you’re not in charge after all. And apparently, these guys looked like they ain’t through with World War II yet.”

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: And he had men in black there, and they grabbed me. And off we go. And we go through the hangar, go through an office area, and then down a hallway.

And I’m put in this room where there’s no windows, just a door, light bulb hanging from the ceiling on a wire. That’s it.

Wilcock: Uh-oh.

Adair: And they slammed the door shut. And I’m sitting there going, “Man, I’m in bad shape.” And that’s where Rudolph, on the way there, he just wanted to get his point in.

He says, “Just a minute. I want you to see something.”

So we go in this lab-looking thing. There’s a cadaver laying there. Pulls it [a cover] back. “It’s a 17-year-old male,” he tells me.

And he goes, “We’re going to change the dental records to match yours. We’re going to burn this thing to a crisp and send it back to your parents saying that you were burned in an accident at White Sands, and you’re going to stay here the rest of your life.”

Now, this is a sociopath you’re talking to.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And that’s when I . . . They locked me in that room, and I started crying. I’m only 17. I knew I was done.

Who is going to come and rescue me, you know? And Colonel Bell is meanwhile locked in his quarters at White Sands. But I found out he broke loose, overpowered the guards and called LeMay.

LeMay’s en route to Area 51 right now.

And if you didn’t know this, Area 51’s under the command of SAC, Strategic Air Command.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: So who appointed all the commanding officers? LeMay did. So he ain’t asking. He’s just flying straight in.

And I hear a lot of ruckus out in the hallway, and the door flies open, and all I see is a silhouette – big square shoulders and somebody doing this with a big stogie. [Puffing on a large cigar.]

And if you’ve ever seen any pictures of LeMay, you would go, “That’s Curtis LeMay.”

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He’s got hold of a tie. The tie is around a full bird colonel of the Air Force that he’s been slinging back and forth. That’s the banging I heard. And he was banging this colonel who’s commander of the base. And he’s so furious. He appointed this commander.

So all the commander knows, civilian or not, that’s a four star Chief of the Joint Chief’s got you by your tie.

And he looked down at me, and I’m just a mess. And he looked back at that colonel, and that colonel quickly said, “We had nothing to do with that. Rudolph and these other guys did.”

He said, “Where’s he at?”

“He just left.”

“Find him! And get him cleaned up and put him on my plane.”

And we flew from Groom Lake to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And they put me in the general’s car and drove me back to my house in Mount Vernon, Ohio.

And that’s how I spent my summer vacation in my junior year in high school.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: And when they asked me to write that up with . . . I’m a rising senior, went back to school . . .

Wilcock: “They” who asked you to write it up?

Adair: Oh, the English literature . . . “What did you do for your summer vacation?”

Wilcock: Oh! Ha, ha.

Adair: Well, I’m going to tell you, “Yeah! Well, I invented the fastest rocket on Earth, and I met this madman Nazi war criminal that’s been riding me all the way, and I’m working with a four-star general, and I’m at a secret Air Force base, and I blew up the missile and . . . saw an alien power plant.”

So I just said, “I worked at Pizza Hut.”

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: What are you going to say?

Wilcock: All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode of Cosmic Disclosure. I’m your host, David Wilcock, here with our special guest, David Adair. And I think you for watching.